| (a) “NOAA [National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration] has tons of money, USFW (U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service) has less, |
| and the State (of Hawai‘i) has very little, so naturally this effects who can do what and who put more resources into |
| the NWHI management.” |
| (b) “Suddenly… sanctuaries get seven million dollars…so they’re in charge of you know, they have most of the money to implement |
| things. But ironically, you know, once it did not become a sanctuary and it became a monument, the sanctuary program probably |
| had the least amount of legal jurisdiction in comparison to say, (NOAA) Fisheries or (the U.S.) Fish and Wildlife Service. |
| And so it created an awkward power dynamic, where you know, the person in control of most of the money |
| wasn’t the one who necessarily had a lot of the other authorities.” |
| (c) “I think the issues of equality or the problems, they’re not equal in my opinion. Fish and Wildlife Service is...not the land owner |
| but they have the land which is power. NOAA is water and has lots of money and resources. That’s power. The state of Hawai‘i, |
| I think 90% of all the activities that occur in the monument are actually in state waters so maybe you could call that power, but they |
| don’t have any staff. They have very little staff, and they have little to no resources especially given the past, you know, year.” |
| (d) “The power I think that the state has is the community…is the voice of the community much more so than the other agencies, |
| and likewise OHA (Office of Hawaiian Affairs), and so everybody has shared power at different levels. NOAA’s power does not |
| just come from the money either. They’re very visible and effective.” |
| (e) “When you have money for staff and resources and projects and boats and access, you’re gonna have inequitable power.” |
